ButTheyAreSoMuchCheaper
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Post by ButTheyAreSoMuchCheaper on Apr 6, 2009 18:42:23 GMT
The rumour mill says that nearly 50 people are to get reassigned from TCS LandG account after the SOA projects have all but been canned.
-8000 Man days.
ouch thats got to hurt !
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Post by losingtheplot on Apr 6, 2009 19:00:11 GMT
I am losing the plot....how many lg techies are left with TCS? how many have already left, how many are leaving next? will any of the ex L&G managers go ? Are the 16 job losses in BTS part of the 650 announced in the press? Has BTs been outsourced ? I think is is absolute chaos nobody knows what is actually happening. Is dempsey the notorious absentee? What is wrong with him ?  |
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Post by Whodunnit on Apr 6, 2009 19:44:04 GMT
I thought Demsey had already gone-gardening leave! How very confusing
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Post by Over and Out on Apr 6, 2009 21:21:21 GMT
Dempsey has already gone.
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Post by Alcomum on Apr 7, 2009 14:19:31 GMT
As I understand it, the figure of 650 quoted was 10% of the 6500 people currently employed by L&G, as stated by Breedon in the results announcement. This figure does include the 450 in the Support Function Review. The 16 in BIS/BTS are going as part of the Support Function Review. After this, there are further plans for 'restructuring' BIS/BTS, so no one is safe. Happy days  |
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Post by monkey puzzle on Apr 8, 2009 18:03:15 GMT
 Funny that I have noticed some sensitive project folders and documents no longer available.....These were investigating how BTS could make savings, like £1m outsourcing network, how much savings could they make doing the lot? No wonder that the selected people have 'private' meetings.. and no longer associate with their old work mates!
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itsallaboutthebeans
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Post by itsallaboutthebeans on Apr 8, 2009 18:54:41 GMT
Lets sack/outsource everybody and everything and cancel all projects. Think of the savings! Maybe we should start with our chief executive and the board? Fabulous savings... I go and count the beans all night.
;D ;D
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Post by hello on Apr 17, 2009 17:48:30 GMT
hello... anybody there? Please post any news/views/frustrations/happiness. It has been very quiet. But I know it is not. All of us need to know what is going on. Unfortunately I am at the bottom of the food chain and therefore in the dark about anything . Please share. |
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Post by hello 2 hello on Apr 17, 2009 18:23:12 GMT
well assuming you are not TCS or L&G management thinking you are going to find out a few facts from all of us minnions (not that I care less if you are) then here is brief sypnosis and a prediction for the future
1> L&G still need work doing and this will ramp up as economic recovery kicks in and the government creates new regulatory frameworks.
2> TCS massively overquote for this work
3> To TCS's great suprise L&G says "no"
4> This disrupts the TCS profit model and means TCS have to cut costs by getting rid of even more people. This makes them even lesss capable of properly servicing the account.
So what will happen?.... Probably sod all in the short term as everyone is watching budgets but beyond then?
Well put it this way ... the business are already looking for non TCS resources to do the work especially those who wont be hamstrung by 40 or 50 layers of parasite management to support.
It will all get very interesting shortly.......
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Post by hello again on Apr 17, 2009 18:53:05 GMT
well then there is hope... in the shape of something other than TCS. How can they get away with these sort of ridiculous estimates/charges/timescales. It feels like l&G is not the customer but the slave to TCS. Who negotated the contract??? Or maybe we need some internal spin to sell the benefits of TCS ? It will be hard work because from where I sit, it looks like TCS is in charge.
By the way next week will be interesting as some of us in L&G will find out about who stays /goes.
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Post by hello 2 hello on Apr 17, 2009 19:48:09 GMT
Hope? - well I certainly hope so
What it boils down to is that the business has been utterly ripped off for years and the arrangement with TCS has only served to make this worse and to insitutionalise the ripoff.
Ever since an "internal market" was created at L&G way back in the early 90s, useless managers who understand nothing about what people actually do have been covering their own arses by overcharging for work done in thier areas.
In my own area for example (now outsourced to TCS) we add 10mandays for every manager we employ. Not so long ago we quoted 52 mandays to correct a long standing issue whereby new versions of contract were not added to a certain program.
Originally this was an oversight but would take approximately 3.5 hours at most to sort out. Under the TCS/Internal market model this equates to 52 days!
This is fraud effectively and as I see the self satisfied management nobodies preening themselves at Redhill and Horley as they perpetuate this fraud on L&G I find myself ever more desperately feeling for the exit........
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Post by Stale Mate on Apr 19, 2009 10:44:00 GMT
well assuming you are not TCS or L&G management thinking you are going to find out a few facts from all of us minnions (not that I care less if you are) then here is brief sypnosis and a prediction for the future 1> L&G still need work doing and this will ramp up as economic recovery kicks in and the government creates new regulatory frameworks. 2> TCS massively overquote for this work 3> To TCS's great suprise L&G says "no" 4> This disrupts the TCS profit model and means TCS have to cut costs by getting rid of even more people. This makes them even lesss capable of properly servicing the account. So what will happen?.... Probably sod all in the short term as everyone is watching budgets but beyond then? Well put it this way ... the business are already looking for non TCS resources to do the work especially those who wont be hamstrung by 40 or 50 layers of parasite management to support. It will all get very interesting shortly....... Hard to see this ending any other way than the relationship between L&G and TCS breaking down completely and the work either being farmed out somewhere else (with all the associated Knowledge Transfer costs all over again) or being brought back in-house. Unless of course, L&G are acquired by another company. In which case it becomes more of a migration exercise. Either way, TCS look to be dead in the water in terms of servicing the L&G account. |
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Post by Job4Lifecom on Apr 19, 2009 20:13:17 GMT
but there's nearly 4 more years to go (at least) isn't there? So the TCS deal will effectively be the final nail in the L&G coffin?
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Post by Limpit on Apr 20, 2009 11:43:56 GMT
but there's nearly 4 more years to go (at least) isn't there? So the TCS deal will effectively be the final nail in the L&G coffin? L&G might just about be able to limp through the next four years without launching any major new products in a timely manner. But if there are any major legislative changes that need to be implemented then they're a bit stuffed really. |
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Post by reallystuffed on Apr 20, 2009 18:16:35 GMT
Can't they go anywhere they like anytime they want? What is the 4 year deal?
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