All sounds familiar
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Post by All sounds familiar on Apr 24, 2009 18:45:33 GMT
Unite holding hands with HR?
'Initial' meetings?
All sounds terribly familiar to me......
I remember when............. oh never mind
Edwards and Manns soon to be given plumb jobs in HR I suspect
Hurrah!
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Post by Johnny Nostars on Apr 25, 2009 11:07:31 GMT
Change the record.
My understanding of it was that Unite got initially involved to ensure the correct process was followed as best as possible. As for the briefings, at the one I attended there were some reps present but they weren't "holding hands with HR" in fact they were at the other end of the room. They also stayed to the end of the briefing unlike the rep from the MCF who legged it as soon as the Q+A session started!
As for not seeing anything from them afterwards, didn't the briefing say that if you were a member you could contact a rep to see what your options were and ask any questions? I know my briefing did. If you're a member and chose not to do that then that is your lookout.
Regarding voluntary redundancy, we were told that it was an option but you had to state it as a preference right at the beginning of the selection process. Also it would be noted that you had volunteered but that didn't mean that you'd get it.
As for the redundancy process itself, I'm fortunate that based on my briefing the role I do isn't currently affected but I know people in the business who went through something similar last year, were selected for redundancy, appealed and with help from Unite they won their appeal and are still employed. So I'm still happy to pay my subs as without representation I'd have no where to go if and when I needed help.
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Post by Losers Everywhere on Apr 25, 2009 12:06:07 GMT
Change the record. My understanding of it was that Unite got initially involved to ensure the correct process was followed as best as possible. As for the briefings, at the one I attended there were some reps present but they weren't "holding hands with HR" in fact they were at the other end of the room. They also stayed to the end of the briefing unlike the rep from the MCF who legged it as soon as the Q+A session started! As for not seeing anything from them afterwards, didn't the briefing say that if you were a member you could contact a rep to see what your options were and ask any questions? I know my briefing did. If you're a member and chose not to do that then that is your lookout. Regarding voluntary redundancy, we were told that it was an option but you had to state it as a preference right at the beginning of the selection process. Also it would be noted that you had volunteered but that didn't mean that you'd get it. As for the redundancy process itself, I'm fortunate that based on my briefing the role I do isn't currently affected but I know people in the business who went through something similar last year, were selected for redundancy, appealed and with help from Unite they won their appeal and are still employed. So I'm still happy to pay my subs as without representation I'd have no where to go if and when I needed help. Well, well, well Johnny Nostars, Looks like you managed to get away clean in spite of swimming in the gutter.  Well done. However, if you believe that Unite did right by their employees, then why don't you put it to the test - ask them what their feelings are, look through the message boards if you can't face them. Let's face it, your experience (if true) with unite is an exception, and you're welcome to it (I doubt that the readers of this board would believe it, though the law of averages allows for it. Now, it could be that you're just a unite rep ramping your union up). The fact is, the vast majority are well and truly pissed off with unite's [non]-contribution, as well as the role they played in making so many people lose their jobs - for the sake of corporate greed, and to secure their own cushy jobs. Kind of anti-union if you ask me. |
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Post by Priorities Lost on Apr 26, 2009 18:27:27 GMT
I see absolutely no reason why the record should be changed!
Ushite have done little (could be argued nothing at all or ever less than that!) for the workforce at the L&G for many years, but let's not go through all that again.
Wake up. Ushites' L&G leader is paid for by the L&G, not Ushite. She is not paid by the membership, so no amount of complaining about her or her sidekick (which has been done over the years but obviously it was like P&$$ing in the wind). Ushite will not get rid of her because they see little point as they don't have to pay her and HR won't remove her because she's doing everything they ask her to do.
Get it ? or shall i put another record on. The one that say's that they are shafting us as much as the company.
Ushite will never back it's few L&G members on this because there is nothing in it for them.
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Post by Doom on Apr 26, 2009 23:20:25 GMT
Well put Priorities Lost!
I refuse to join Ushite so my subs can fund Mr Simpson and his partner's life of luxury until they both die.
It always puzzled me why the 'unelected' Ushite reps are paid by L&G. Hardly democratic. Why would they stick up for L&G employees when it's not in their best interests?
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Post by aSorryMess on Apr 27, 2009 16:49:26 GMT
What a sorry mess this all is.... in the corridors of doom you hear of 'him'or 'her' redundant as per last week, of others to fill in endless capability forms... to find out in a month what their fate is. It all feels random and disjointed and we all know that it has already been decided who stays and who goes. What a farce. Each area with their own numbers to shed and timetable. minimal communication, so you have to find out by hearsay what is going on. Whilst all this joy is happening, more and more manual /botched/ solutions are cobbled together to allow L&G to compete in the market despite TCS's incapacity to deliver. Some suggestions are seriously insane. How can anybody perform, be loyal or indeed care in this sort of environment?  |
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Post by Listen on Apr 27, 2009 19:53:34 GMT
What a sorry mess this all is.... in the corridors of doom you hear of 'him'or 'her' redundant as per last week, of others to fill in endless capability forms... to find out in a month what their fate is. It all feels random and disjointed and we all know that it has already been decided who stays and who goes. What a farce. Each area with their own numbers to shed and timetable. minimal communication, so you have to find out by hearsay what is going on. Whilst all this joy is happening, more and more manual /botched/ solutions are cobbled together to allow L&G to compete in the market despite TCS's incapacity to deliver. Some suggestions are seriously insane. How can anybody perform, be loyal or indeed care in this sort of environment? Take a look at that post Jonny Nostars! What are Ushite doing about the farce that was explained here. Absolutely sod all ! Why? Because they don't give a stuff ! Keep dreaming. Change the record indeed. Change the bloody people who represent the staff more like. |
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Post by Over Heads on Apr 28, 2009 14:12:07 GMT
What are Ushite doing about the farce that was explained here. Absolutely sod all ! Why? Because they don't give a stuff ! Keep dreaming. Change the record indeed. Change the bloody people who represent the staff more like. What needs to be done is to go right over the heads of the tame local Ushite reps. Get the area reps involved, or the national reps preferably. Tell them you are not happy with your representation and demand the union earns its subs. |
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Post by Been There on Apr 28, 2009 16:28:56 GMT
Nice idea but I'm afraid bitter experience tells me that this wont work....
The regional organiser is Andy Case and when I last had dealings with him he was worse than useless and got quite offensive when I suggested that Edwards and Manns wernt up to the job.
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Still None the Wiser
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Post by Still None the Wiser on Apr 29, 2009 17:37:22 GMT
Finance have their 'briefing' tomorrow I believe.
If anybody has been invited along to that can they post any further information gained here, if possible.
I'm still disappointed that no formal voluntary redundancy policy seems to exist and appeal to any management reading this to reconsider. Why screw up people's lives when others are happy to volunteer.
TB said compulsaries would be kept to minimum. Don't see much evidence of that so far.
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Snouts in the Trough
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Post by Snouts in the Trough on Jun 21, 2009 11:03:31 GMT
Interesting that in the latest edition of 'Dispatches', 2 high profile Unite reps have managed to negotiate the own voluntary redundancy!!!
Some Pigs are more equal than others obviously!
How about negotiating this for the rest of us?
Unite member are losing their jobs when others would be happy to volunteer. The Union should be trying to keep compulsaries to a minimum. Evidently not. Better start sticking the tenner a month in the pension fund instead. Seems wasted in Unite's coffers.
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Post by FFS on Jun 22, 2009 7:57:05 GMT
What nonsense! I worked with one of the reps involved and they did not take voluntary redundancy.
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Post by Unite are Great on Jun 22, 2009 14:33:40 GMT
Yes. Let's keep these type of comments acurate.
Wouldn't want people getting the wrong idea about Unite's role in this mess.
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Post by Moi on Jun 22, 2009 18:27:10 GMT
For the sake of accuracy, did you mean 'accurate'
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Post by skipper on Jun 26, 2009 9:07:42 GMT
If everyone is so bothered about Unite's involvement and how they are going about this why don't you do what the refinery worked did and go on unofical strike.
Put your money where your mouth is, protest about the job losses, get the media involved and see if it makes any difference.
I can tell you now unless you go on strike and stay out you'll get nowhere.
Oh but sorry i should have realised we are talking L&G workers here. who won't strike a match to light a fire in the middle of winter.
No ballot has ever come back with a mandate for a strike. Too scared.
If you really care about making L&G look like the bastard employer that it's become then this is your only option.
Ignore UNITE and go out on strike, go on I dare you..
I'm sure all the people who have been made redundant will join you.
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