Brolly under Stress
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Post by Brolly under Stress on Mar 25, 2009 18:26:45 GMT
The latest insult for those ex L&G still at TCS is the Managers Pay Review and Bonus!!
No Salary Increases at all and an insulting 3% bonus for all the hard work keeping the jobs running over the last year.
And the cheek to say you have had a Transition bonus of 10% so your total bonus this year is 13%!!!
As L&G staff are getting Pay oncreases and much better bonuses haven't they disregarded our TUPE conditions, which state that Pay Review & Manager s binus is part of our T&C's
I've had enough!!
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Post by OnAndOnAndOn on Mar 25, 2009 18:36:54 GMT
It should be obvious to all by now that the future is going to be nothing but a series of degradations in T&C etc Those ex-L&G still at TCS will gradually find new jobs and move on
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You need to question
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Post by You need to question on Mar 25, 2009 22:33:36 GMT
So what have retained L&G IS got. Those I've spoken to today still haven't heard. Who says the TCS deal is any poorer?
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Post by oh really on Mar 26, 2009 0:03:28 GMT
Stop whingeing. Really, this is pathetic. We all got a 10% bonus just for turning up. I havent seen L&G coughing up retention bonuses for free!! Loads of colleagues are being released offshore who work alot harder than us and given no notice at all.
We all have had the choice to stay or leave from the word go. If L&G had not TUPE'd everyone they would most certainly have had a cull, its what has happened in the past several times over.
Whether in or out, too many people posting on this board are in fantasy land - hasnt anyone here heard of a commercial organisation - I'd be intersted to know what you would do with your employees if you ran a company that had no work coming in.....
Get real !!!!
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Post by Yes really on Mar 26, 2009 8:19:26 GMT
It was called a retention bonus, and that was to persuade us all not to leave en masse, so I think you've missed the point.
It looks like, L&G delivered their side of the pot in terms of bonus, whilst TCS neglected to match L&G's contribution and gave the left overs of the mincepie budget from last Christmas.
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Post by Yes Really on Mar 26, 2009 9:04:07 GMT
Stop whingeing. Really, this is pathetic. We all got a 10% bonus just for turning up. I havent seen L&G coughing up retention bonuses for free!! Loads of colleagues are being released offshore who work alot harder than us and given no notice at all. We all have had the choice to stay or leave from the word go. If L&G had not TUPE'd everyone they would most certainly have had a cull, its what has happened in the past several times over. Whether in or out, too many people posting on this board are in fantasy land - hasnt anyone here heard of a commercial organisation - I'd be intersted to know what you would do with your employees if you ran a company that had no work coming in..... Get real !!!! I'd be intersted to know what you would do with your employees if you ran a company that had no work coming in..... Get real !!!! Of course, some of this post is correct. But in answer to your last point. What would i do? I'd be honest and true to my Staff. See? already i'm better than the L&G and i've only been in business since 8:30 am! Think i'll go for a fat cat breakfast now and maybe a round of golf.
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well really what a star
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Post by well really what a star on Mar 26, 2009 20:53:21 GMT
What I really love about this board is the times when utter brainwashed morons decide to share their thoughts with us.....
As it is with the post by 'Well Really'
Now if I've got it right us, being utterly raped by TCS, is all down to L&G not providing work above and beyond the entry level number of mandays which is guarenteed in the contract.
Now why might that be?
Could it have anything to do with absurd,surreal estimates that TCS quote for even the most basic piece of work?
They already think they have L&G over a barrel and can demand whatever they like. They never thought L&G would ever say 'NO'.
So what happens? TCS just compensates by cutting costs further by sacking staff (which is incidently reported to the Times of India as dismissal due to under-performance)
The end result is that there are even fewer people left who can actually do the job.
Personally I'm amazed I'm still here. I guess I'm just under the radar and they forgot all about me
As for TCS - I reckon they wont be there in 5 years time! Only hope I'm Not!
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well really what a star
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Post by well really what a star on Mar 26, 2009 21:30:18 GMT
OK, i've done my usual and not done due dilligence (not alone there then)
I actually meant to say 'Oh Really' rather than 'Well really' but either way the person posting what he did is a twat
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Post by miceracs on Mar 27, 2009 20:12:08 GMT
so what pay rise for L&G staff then? All I got was a low 2.5% bonus, not 3 or 13% that the TCS people got....and I had a good appraisal. Our jobs are just as safe as you TCS people at present too. so who's better off now then?
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Post by Cronies and Co on Mar 27, 2009 22:43:13 GMT
so what pay rise for L&G staff then? All I got was a low 2.5% bonus, not 3 or 13% that the TCS people got....and I had a good appraisal. Our jobs are just as safe as you TCS people at present too. so who's better off now then? Whatever.... Both TCS and L&G screwed everyone. There you go, take a bow son. Employers have never hidden the fact that not only do they exploit employees endlessly, but they also use excuses like "recession" to stop the working people from earing their fair dues. The flow of champagne doesn't stop for the directors though! So please, let's end this " i'm tcs therefore i suck", and " i'm still at L&G, therefore I suck more"... Both sets of people have been screwed - Royally. Do what you need to, but lest you forget your time, when the tide turns; and should a justifiable oppertunity arise for the time being, don't forget to twist the knife in when you plunge it deep. (damn, I've had a few drinks tonight - maybe I'm a drunk scotsman? Nah!)
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Post by Good post on Mar 28, 2009 19:20:10 GMT
I liked this post a lot like 'Cronies and Co' I get to hear a lot of crap spoken like ...... 'I'm loyal to TCS now' or 'At least I'm still a Landg er'
Must have been a bit like that in the Roman Forum...... 'Well I'm Ishaftallofyouius's slave now' or 'At least I'm still with my master Exploitius Biggus timeus'
Forget this stupid rivalry
L&G or TCS- it matters not - we've all been shafted
Time for a slave revolt
After you Sparticus!
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Post by Kenneth Williams on Mar 29, 2009 14:32:22 GMT
Must have been a bit like that in the Roman Forum...... 'Well I'm Ishaftallofyouius's slave now' or 'At least I'm still with my master Exploitius Biggus timeus' Forget this stupid rivalry L&G or TCS- it matters not - we've all been shafted Time for a slave revolt After you Sparticus! Infamy! Infamy!
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Post by observer on Mar 29, 2009 16:25:03 GMT
And to add insult to injury, the M and SM grades had a much larger 'bonus pot'.
If bonus payments are really intended to reflect performance, then maybe there should be a campaign to make them hand back their bonuses since all the feedback about TCS performance on this board is seemingly negative.
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Post by dixie on Mar 30, 2009 21:26:16 GMT
TCS is just laughing at UK employment laws in general and the TUPE laws in particular.
I accept that companies move jobs and make people redundant for so called ETO reasons, but TUPE laws state, quite categorically, that the Transferee company cannot do so following a Transfer of Undertaking, if the Transferor had not intended to do so prior to that transfer, as that would quite obviously mean that the decision to do so was purely as a result of the transfer, ie if the transfer had not taken place then the redundancies would not have occurred, unless you are willing to accept that L&G had a Global Business Model that entailed shipping jobs off to India.
I really think that the L&G employees(and the toothless UNITE) have all been conned into believing TCS have acted within UK employment laws and we just have to accept it all, when TCS and other companies like them have never been challenged in the courts. In my opinion they are calling our bluff.
In the current climate, some of the old L&G IT staff would no doubt have been shown the door, because that's the limit of the thinking of the so called decision makers, who can't see further than the next share dividend, but the fact of the matter is, the very notion of restructuring a transferred workforce to fit the business model of a transferee company (and making 60+ percent redundant in the process) flies in the very face of what the TUPE laws were setup to prevent.
If that is not bad enough TCS planned all along to bring Indian employees to the UK to replace those UK employees they intended to sack and are currently in the process of doing just that.This is quite obviously a flagrant abuse of UK employment law and TCS (and L&G) should be brought to task over the matter in a court of law.
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Post by ex contractor on Mar 31, 2009 11:17:39 GMT
If either company is breaking the law, then surely your 'union' should be all over this??? Or do you pay your membership fees just to receive a poorly produced magazine every few weeks?
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